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Maneki Sushi

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Ixali Quest Math - SE Can't Do Percentages?!

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So after trying for ridiculously long on one particular Ixali reputation quest called Spread Your Wings and Soar (I have done it over 40 times and still have had 0 successful HQ synths), and after running the numbers through the percentage calculator at Math.com, I realized there an extremely big math problem going on in FFXIV's Ixali crafting system:

Example 1 -

The game is claiming that 777 is only 13% of 1690. This is a HUGE discrepancy in the game math since 777 is actually 45.97633136094675% of 1690. Rounded it's 46% (using the method we were all taught in grade school, not the banker's rounding method).

Example 2 -

The game is claiming that 751 is also somehow magically only 13% 1690. In real math, 751 is 44.43786982248521% of 1690.

Example 3 -

The game is claiming that 952 is 17% of 1690. Again, wrong... 952 is actually 56.331360946745555% of 1690.

Example 4 -

Game claims 804 is only 14% of 1690. Wrong. It is actually 47.57396449704142%.

Example 5 -

Claiming 670 is 11% of 1690. Incorrect. 670 is really 39.64497041420118%.

Example 6 -

Claiming 871 is 15% of 1690. Nope. It's 51.53846153846153%.

Example 7 -

Says 603 is 10% of 1690. Again, no. It's actually 35.680473372781066%.

Example 8 -

Again, two different numbers are magically the same percentage (example 3, where 952 is supposedly also 17% of 1690). The game is claiming that 938 is 17% of 1690. Wrong, wrong, wrong... It's 55.50295857988166%.


So 8 out of 8 examples are 100% wrong. It seems to me that Square Enix has a major issue with number rounding and/or percentage calculating. As someone who does game programming myself, I can't really figure out how you "accidentally" make such a flawed calculating system. It's actually really hard to get a false percentage reporting system by accident (two completely different numbers coming back at the same percentage), but maybe I'm missing something here... So does anyone else know why these numbers just don't add up? Thanks for your input!

Sushi

P.S. This quest says you only need a level 18 disciple of the hand to complete it. I call BS on that one since this was not craftable on my level 45 goldsmith using Rolanberry Lassi as a buff, and results actually got worse after I added materia to my gear.
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Kupo Warkson

Siren [Aether]

Quality is not in a linear ratio with HQ %.

Kupo Warkson

Siren [Aether]

And they did it that way on purpose, it's not a math error.

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OP:

http://www.ffxivinfo.com/crafting/guide.php

Under HQ Crafting:

HQ Crafting

When you start a synth your crafting bar will have an initial quality which is determined based on the quality of your materials. By using HQ materials your quality bar will begin partially filled, while all NQ materials will start it at 0. The goal here is to get as close to the target number as possible. The higher you get, the higher your chance of HQ.

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Your chance is displayed as a percentage at the bottom of the crafting window. >>> The scale isn't a simple percentage of the target number however <<<, it's more complex than that and we aren't sure of the exact formula. If you reach the target then you will guarantee yourself an HQ, whereas anything lower will be based on the percentage chance.

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Seles Alpselon

Siren [Aether]

didn't read the whole post, but it seems like they're upset that the HQ % doesn't quite change according to how much the bar is filled. it's just SE trying to make us tear our hair out, and sometimes it works! >:(

Asny Rak'nys

Cerberus [Chaos]

The Ixali quests are great for teaching about crafter rotations(hint you're likely doing something wrong). Also make sure you don't have multiple debuffs from the quests active for it.

Maneki Sushi

Jenova [Aether]

Update: Thank you for your useful entries, all other snobbery has been deleted. So the only thing I did change to get success was switching from my 45 goldsmith to my 43 leatherworker and it worked first try. No rotation changes, no gear changes, no buff changes. It seems to be the only key was switching from my highest crafter to my lowest.

Willig Rowde

Hyperion [Primal]

Welcome to crafting...

The real fun is yet to come, when attempting level 60 *** and **** crafts...
98% HQ... surely... SURELY this will be an HQ craft, right?
I mean... it's only 2% chance that it'll be NQ, right? RIGHT?!

Synthesis...
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fml

Maneki Sushi

Jenova [Aether]

lol Willig! If there's one thing this game is definitely good for, it's testing your patience.
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